i have found mint 8 to be extremely user friendly,installing applications i found to be way easier than windows, plus it doesn’t bog down your system with useless crap like vista or 7
if you can’t find packages that do the same thing on your new os your probably still a noob at that new os XD linux users need to do about the same tasks as windows users so aside from games i’ve always found a comparable linux package for every windows task without exception as for games if it won’t run on wine i’ve found it’s likely to not even run on xp the emulation layer difference isn’t worth the bother of dual booting have an emergency virtualbox around maybe
True, Windows marketing ideas are way better then macs and Linux don’t you think?
When I have to install a deb package I need to use the terminal.
I’m dependent on windows mainly because all the software that comes out today are only for windows. Even with wine I can’t get the performance in applications that I need.
I still stand by the fact that if anyone really switches for good they are a total noob. You then never really got to know your os. That’s why I’m staying. Compatibility .
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“User friendly” can be defined in different ways: the possibility of doing complex things without much work, if you are a poweruser. Thus the existence of the shell is indeed a great reason pro linux. You stated that you do programming stuff, thus I think you are someone who would appreciate this.
With M$ you are the slave of licenses, proprietary file formats, forced h+s-ware upgrades and submit to the will of M$’ CEO and the stock exchange. Not very user friendly IMHO.
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In a modern n00b distro like Ubuntu, you don’t have to use the shell ($) for everything anymore. That cmd thing in W is total crap, that’s the reason why you don’t use it. A unix shell is something completely different and faaar more powerful, once you’ve learned how to use it (just like Vim).
@Kossrifle 1
As I said before, L is _not_ W. Don’t expect it to run programs written for an utterly different OS. If it’s nevertheless capable of doing so in most cases, then fine. And don’t expect it to behave the same way as W does. Switching your apps is not such a great deal as you might think. There is exquisite software out there, completely free (free as in freedom). Just like Firefox.
Linux just can’t run exes like windows. And when I does it’s slowed then I expected. Just switching every single application you have ever used is not going to happen.
I may agree that Linux is faster in ever way but the one thing is still compatibility. I feel controlled by the fact that it’s not user friendly. I barely use the cmd in windows only for checking my ip and ie, but in Linux you need the terminal to do everything like sudo, $, and installment.
@Kossrifle Why do you feel so? What problems do you encounter?
BTW Linux tends in fact to use all of your Ram, bc it fills unused Ram with read cache for your file systems. This will enhance the loading speed of some progs dramatically. (Unused Ram is wasted Ram)
@Kossrifle Yes, there are several methods of virtualisation with different approaches for L (like nesting L kernels directly). Vmware is available too. I prefer vbox though.
Export to what? You can do nearly everything with python. system scripts, full fledged GUI programs, web’n'stuff…etc
“I can’t because it’s only for windows.” YES congratulations, you are LOCKED! This is exactly why I only use open source programming languages. I need to write portable code.
I go for C++, Vb5, Vb6, MSE7. I can’t because it’s only for windows. Python can’t export. Is it possible to use linux and also have windows leeching off of linux? Like Vmware?
@Kossrifle BTW Making L look like W and using W programs won’t get you very far. L is _not_ W. You need to know your tools, to really play to their strengths. and you have to relearn a lot, but it’s worth the struggle, believe me.
@Kossrifle Which distro & desktop environment do you use?
I really enjoy using Linux for programming (and everything else ); vim is my editor of choice, very powerful, once you’ve learned it; and once you tasted the power of a unix shell, you wouldn’t go without ever again.
Ever tried Python?
True, when I installed windows I needed to installed a sound, video, and Internet driver. When I got Linux it installed it for me.
(BTW I got the plugin for the spell check)
I did manage to get wine to work.
It has potential, and I got a windows skin for it.
@Kossrifle 2
Think of how many people were forced to buy a new PC/peripherals, when they upgraded their M$ OS! Once a driver is written for L, it cannot be “killed”, bc it is open source! And L was designed for networks right from the start!
The only crux is support by third party vendors. But once L gained critical mass, this will change, too. BTW This post was written with Firefox 3.5 on Gentoo L x64 WITH spell checking.
@Kossrifle 1
W does appear to be more compatible, bc it has this large market share! It is not an intrinsic feature of W itself, soft/hardware makers design their product this way, otherwise they couldn’t sell it! If you only regard the abilities of the OS itself – Linux is far more compatible. It runs on dozens of architectures, ancient and obscure hardware, everything from embedded devices to supercomputers and comes with all drivers needed!
Okay, I use Linux for web stuff, but use Windows for programming. If more people could say windows is better for compadbillity (<– damn it no spell check in linux firefox) then more people from windows could say Linux is better for offline usage and speed.
@Kossrifle Well, if that is true, then people chose the wrong distro.
i have found mint 8 to be extremely user friendly,installing applications i found to be way easier than windows, plus it doesn’t bog down your system with useless crap like vista or 7
No the fact that you have not gotten to know your extensions when you think it’s time to switch.
@MrSquishles Don’t bother. Some ppl will never understand…
vmware $8000 per processor fuck that for a home user go with xen or virtualbox
if you can’t find packages that do the same thing on your new os your probably still a noob at that new os XD linux users need to do about the same tasks as windows users so aside from games i’ve always found a comparable linux package for every windows task without exception as for games if it won’t run on wine i’ve found it’s likely to not even run on xp the emulation layer difference isn’t worth the bother of dual booting have an emergency virtualbox around maybe
True, Windows marketing ideas are way better then macs and Linux don’t you think?
When I have to install a deb package I need to use the terminal.
I’m dependent on windows mainly because all the software that comes out today are only for windows. Even with wine I can’t get the performance in applications that I need.
I still stand by the fact that if anyone really switches for good they are a total noob. You then never really got to know your os. That’s why I’m staying. Compatibility
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“User friendly” can be defined in different ways: the possibility of doing complex things without much work, if you are a poweruser. Thus the existence of the shell is indeed a great reason pro linux. You stated that you do programming stuff, thus I think you are someone who would appreciate this.
With M$ you are the slave of licenses, proprietary file formats, forced h+s-ware upgrades and submit to the will of M$’ CEO and the stock exchange. Not very user friendly IMHO.
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In a modern n00b distro like Ubuntu, you don’t have to use the shell ($) for everything anymore. That cmd thing in W is total crap, that’s the reason why you don’t use it. A unix shell is something completely different and faaar more powerful, once you’ve learned how to use it (just like Vim).
@Kossrifle 1
As I said before, L is _not_ W. Don’t expect it to run programs written for an utterly different OS. If it’s nevertheless capable of doing so in most cases, then fine. And don’t expect it to behave the same way as W does. Switching your apps is not such a great deal as you might think. There is exquisite software out there, completely free (free as in freedom). Just like Firefox.
If Linux was the first os I used and it was 90% people would bitch about it’s slow speed, and it would be vice versa with windows.
Linux just can’t run exes like windows. And when I does it’s slowed then I expected. Just switching every single application you have ever used is not going to happen.
I may agree that Linux is faster in ever way but the one thing is still compatibility. I feel controlled by the fact that it’s not user friendly. I barely use the cmd in windows only for checking my ip and ie, but in Linux you need the terminal to do everything like sudo, $, and installment.
If only Linux was the leading os.
@Kossrifle Why do you feel so? What problems do you encounter?
BTW Linux tends in fact to use all of your Ram, bc it fills unused Ram with read cache for your file systems. This will enhance the loading speed of some progs dramatically. (Unused Ram is wasted Ram)
@SeltsamerAttraktor
I feel more as if Linux is controlling me. It uses less ram and stuff but when I happen to have a problem most people have never seen it.
@Kossrifle Yes, there are several methods of virtualisation with different approaches for L (like nesting L kernels directly). Vmware is available too. I prefer vbox though.
Export to what? You can do nearly everything with python. system scripts, full fledged GUI programs, web’n'stuff…etc
“I can’t because it’s only for windows.” YES congratulations, you are LOCKED! This is exactly why I only use open source programming languages. I need to write portable code.
@SeltsamerAttraktor
I go for C++, Vb5, Vb6, MSE7. I can’t because it’s only for windows. Python can’t export. Is it possible to use linux and also have windows leeching off of linux? Like Vmware?
@Kossrifle BTW Making L look like W and using W programs won’t get you very far. L is _not_ W. You need to know your tools, to really play to their strengths. and you have to relearn a lot, but it’s worth the struggle, believe me.
@Kossrifle Which distro & desktop environment do you use?
); vim is my editor of choice, very powerful, once you’ve learned it; and once you tasted the power of a unix shell, you wouldn’t go without ever again.
I really enjoy using Linux for programming (and everything else
Ever tried Python?
@SeltsamerAttraktor
True, when I installed windows I needed to installed a sound, video, and Internet driver. When I got Linux it installed it for me.
(BTW I got the plugin for the spell check)
I did manage to get wine to work.
It has potential, and I got a windows skin for it.
@Kossrifle 2
Think of how many people were forced to buy a new PC/peripherals, when they upgraded their M$ OS! Once a driver is written for L, it cannot be “killed”, bc it is open source! And L was designed for networks right from the start!
The only crux is support by third party vendors. But once L gained critical mass, this will change, too. BTW This post was written with Firefox 3.5 on Gentoo L x64 WITH spell checking.
@Kossrifle 1
W does appear to be more compatible, bc it has this large market share! It is not an intrinsic feature of W itself, soft/hardware makers design their product this way, otherwise they couldn’t sell it! If you only regard the abilities of the OS itself – Linux is far more compatible. It runs on dozens of architectures, ancient and obscure hardware, everything from embedded devices to supercomputers and comes with all drivers needed!
@SeltsamerAttraktor
Okay, I use Linux for web stuff, but use Windows for programming. If more people could say windows is better for compadbillity (<– damn it no spell check in linux firefox) then more people from windows could say Linux is better for offline usage and speed.
@Kossrifle You said it: “right now”, but time will tell…
Yes it was. And why would I be jealous? If it were only 1-2 before that gives me more of a reason.
Windows is 90% right now, nothing you can say that doesn’t make it otherwise.
Part II
“Linux was 90% then windows came in and became 90% and linux dropped to 1-2%.”
It never was.
Why do you make this stupid claims? Are you jealous?